Bachmann ignores slavery in African-American history again

The problem is she believes her own lies, Sarah doesn't . Ms P knows she full of sh*t and proud of it . You bet'cha

Is she related to Bachmann's Pretzels? It might explain her thought patterns (stipulating they exist).

There seems to be a very strong chance that Bachmann's idea of Antebellum, Civil War and Reconstruction history is based upon skimming the Cliff's Notes for Gone With the Wind and The Birth of a Nation. /SATIRE They ain't nothin' like moribund chivalry and watchin' the "happy darkies" singin' them speerchewels while they's pickin' cotton or settin' on the stoops of their shack, eatin' goobers and melon! /satire

Every time I see a picture of Bachmann, the question comes to mind of whether she has mono or is on dexedrine, depending on how wide and fixed her eyes look. (With this seed, dexedrine is the likely candidate.)

The Republican Party is now the Libertarian Party. Libertarians are sponsoring people like Michelle Bachman to paint a glorified picture of the Founding Fathers and ignor the realities of what they did. Paint them as risk takers that worked hard by their own labors and be rewarded with the riches they deserved for their efforts.

The Founding Fathers wrote the failed Articles of Confederation. The Constitution is not your Founding Fathers Doctrine, the Articles are and it is important to know what the Articles say to understand that in the Federalist papers they were trying to implement the precepts of the Articles into the Constitution.

States rights and limited Government and the intents of the Founding Fathers were all precepts of the failed Articles of Confederation and abandoned with the adoption of the Constitution of the United States.

Why would anyone want to return to a failed Doctrine? Prehaps because some Wealthy Privileged concerns want the Power to control the Liberties, Freedoms, Life and Death of their fellow man and woman as did the Founding Fathers.

The first page of the Original Constitution of the United States under which the United States was founded:

ARTICLES of CONFEDERATION

To all to whom these presents shall come.

We, the undersigned, Delegates of the States affixed to our names, send greetings!

Whereas the Delegates of the United States of America in Congress assembled, did on the fifteenth day of November; in the year our Lord one thousand seven hundred and seventy-seven, and in the second year of Independence of America, agree to certain Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union between the states of New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia, in the following, viz.

ARTICLES of CONFEDERATION AND PERPETUAL UNION,

between the States of New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia.

July 9, 1778

Article 1. The style of this confederacy shall be, "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"

Art. 2. Each State retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this confederation, expressly delegated to the United States in Congress assembled.

Art. 3. The said States hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defence, the security of their Liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretence whatever.

Art. 4. Sec. 1. The better to secure and perpetuate friendship and intercourse among the people of the different States in this Union, the free inhabitants of each of these States, paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from justice excepted, shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several States; and the people of each State shall have free ingress and regress to and from any other State, and shall enjoy herein all the privileges of trade, and commerce, subject to the same duties, impositions, and restrictions, as the inhabitants thereof respectively; provided that such restrictions shall not extend so far as to prevent the removal of property imported into any State, to any other State, of which the owner is a inhabitant; provided also, that no imposition, duties, or restriction, shall be laid by any State on the property of the United States, or either of them.

Even the majority of White Freemen at the time were paupers and vagabonds. They had no opportunities and had to barter for their and/or their families food and shelter because of slavery there was little value in labor. Under the Original Founding Doctrine even they were denied the privileges and immunities granted thereunder.

Michelle Bachman like all Republicans who prostituted themselves and sold out to the Libertarians, money talks and the Constitution of the United States walks.

Not only did the United States under the Articles fail but the Union was bailed out with the adoption of the United States Constitution.

Articles 6 of the Constitution of the United States states in part:

All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

Aha! A precedent. And self-serving, at that. So what President Obama loaned to the pirates of Wall Street had an historical basis, beside keeping the bastards from totally ruining the world economy. (Not that they deserved the bailout, but we did not deserve their fallout.)

It's good that Bachmann and Palin confirm often and vigorously their standing as pathetically stupid fking human beings.

The people that vote for these idiots are the REAL morons.

Why do people even think that blacks were the only people enslaved. Get real people. All people of all races have been slaves at one point in time, from the Chinese, Japanese, White people, Blacks, Mexicans etc.

If you are going to talk or discuss slavery, talk about all the people that have been enslaved, not just one group of slaves that the people think were the only slaves that walked the planet.

Bachmann has earned something of a cult following with her vicious attacks and occasionally conspiratorial claims about the Obama administration.

The cult is call the Obama Derangement Syndrome Club.

Facts are French and gay.

Righties have gone down the rabbit hole and joined the Mad Hatter's Tea Party.

Take a hit of the Teapublican hookah.

Bach... Bach... Bach..Bach..Bach... BAAAAACHMANN! Oh my, look- she's laid another egg!

If you are going to talk or discuss slavery, talk about all the people that have been enslaved, not just one group of slaves that the people think were the only slaves that walked the planet.

Or, if you're Michelle Bachmann, ignore the history of all such groups equally by claiming everyone who came here did so voluntarily as a "risk taker."

So Shugga, I guess you're saying that more people than just those of African ancestry should be pissed. Thanks for the tip.

*shrugs* And well Democrats have re-written the slave history of this country as well. So well what is the difference. *shrugs*

Oh heck everyone in this country seems to not even really know the full history of slavery. Good grief. I love how it is only thought that through history only black people in the US were ever slaves and no one else since time were. LOL Funny.

So, don't keep the secret.

Americans in general know squat about geography, scientific method or their own history, so please view your enlightenment as a service to the country.

And, sorry, it isn't funny; it's tragic how ignorant so many are and how they embrace it instead of being eager to learn something.

The ones who really ought to be ashamed of this ditz are the voters of the Minnesota 6th.

They have learned their lesson now:

Elect a tea party member, receive national embarrassment.

I am: Native American by my Mother and African-American by my Father:

And DAMM Proud to be an American of Minnesota!

“ Michele Bachmann “ From 90% of the State.

Take your high brow self-serving hate act and:

Go to Hel# with Your version of the past!

The 6^th district of U.S,,MN, should be ashamed of themselves!

Ooo,,, take T-Paw with you:

Hi MNniceguy, good to see you again. If there is a benefit to Bachmann flapping her gums it is that moderates and independents get to see her for what she is and they won't vote for her in a nationwide election.

Mn Man

THX ( brother in arms )

No Matter what:

WE are America,, All of U.S !!

United We Stand,, Divided WE Fall,,

DEBT is slavery. It has nothing to do with the color of your skin.....

True, Republicans support and spend more on Socialism than Democrats could even dream of. The real difference I guess is the Republicans want to spend it on the wealthy, rather than the poor.

DEM, Party of tax and spend

GOP, party of dont tax but spend anyway, with the audacity to accuse Dems of running up the deficit.

BLOGER-486140

Not only were blacks transported against their will but their labor was stolen by all those southern risk taking white plantation owners.

You forgot to post that it was their own people that sold them into slavery. This is what's wrong with our history. People try and make it one way by leaving out important facts on how it all began. The black people of Africa treated their people as a commodity and sold them into slavery. No one stole them!

Back in the days of slavery, all people of all colors were enslaved at one point in time. It wasn't just black people that were slaves on the planet. Look at all the millions of Jews that were put into concentration camps and became slaves for the Hitler regime. White people that fought for freedoms of the blacks were executed, enslaved themselves at times.

If you are going to study the history of slaves and discuss it, then talk about all of it or none of it. Instead of dwelling on what has happened in the past, maybe we all should be focusing on a better future for "all" people.

You forgot to post that it was their own people that sold them into slavery.

Apparently that makes everything about American slavery all right then. Thanks for clearing that up.

If you are going to study the history of slaves and discuss it, then talk about all of it or none of it.

Uhh, no. Last time I checked, anyone had the right to talk about any aspect of anything that they wanted.

Black people are far from being innocent when it came to selling and trading their people into slavery.

Feb 22, 2007 ... "Africans Sold Their Own Into Slavery and Are Just As Guilty as Whites. ...Prempeh sacrificed his own freedom so that his people would not ...

Myth Busting: "Africans Sold Their Own Into Slavery and Are Just ...

African participation in the transatlantic slave trade is an undeniable fact of history. Of course, Shugga actually ignores the information in the reference he provides in order to maintain his simpleminded position on the role of Africans in slavery.

The African tribes who did engage in trade with the slavers could have no way of knowing how the Europeans would use the captives. Chattel slavery and the associated denial of human rights was unknown to them. The terrors that were visited on the kidnapped Africans is solely credited to the slavers themselves.

Remember: Freehold slavery was the form used in Africa, Greece, Eastern Europe, etc. Chattel slavery was a NEW form invented by Western Europeans to control enslaved Africans and "Native Americans" and propagated through the Trans-Atlantic Slaving War.

The African concept of "slavery" did not include or appear to consider the complete horror that Chattel slavery would become. So, to say that Africans "sold their own", while historically factual, is conceptually inaccurate. They had no idea what those captured Africans were in for.

Further, resisting the slavers demands for more bodies resulted in collective cultural annihilation. Under such a threat, no real "choice" is offered. Assisting the slavers was often the only option for survival.

Even more ridiculous is Shugga's implied notion that African participation in the slave trade somehow mitigates the heinousness and moral bankruptcy of American slavery. The puerile "everybody was doing it" deflection is as old as time and fundamentally flawed.

dwillie, although you disagree with Shugga, i don't believe her point is "everybody was doing it"

slaves existed long before the American colonies. all cultures, societies, races whatever have experienced it, and in some form or fashion it exists today

a lot of what people hate about its legacy here in the states, is the excuse and reason it becomes for social ills in our society, so it is exploited to justify and sanction behavior society should not allow

i don't believe her point is "everybody was doing it"

EXACTLY and I never asserted such. But If that indeed was not her point, then why are Shugga and others bringing it up here? Michelle Bachmann was selectively editing the concept of slavery out of history. To this, Shugga points out that Africans participated in slavery? Ironically, he highlights the intellectual bankruptcy of Bachmann's statement even as he attempts to deflect from it.

So where in this vine has anyone used American slavery as justification for anything, Hughmac? In fact, I challenge you to find any reference to any policy proposal made in the last two years by anyone using American slavery as the foundational reason for the proposal. Where are these excuses?

I would point out that even Shugga's reference highlights the significant differences between the types of slavery that occurred among the various nations and societies. There are real differences in how American slavery evolved, how it ended and how society dealt with newly freed black people. For instance, children of slaves in Brazil could be free. In America, we actually changed the law such that the status of the mother determined the slave status of the child. After slavery ended, miscegenation was desired in Brazil and illegal in America. While other nations consider mixed races, we in America have a legacy of the "One Drop Rule" where one drop of so-called "black blood" makes you black. Justification of chattel slavery in the US required that Africans were subhuman. People didn't simply accept the fully human and equal status of blacks after the Emancipation Procalmation. There are racists who this very day believe that black people are fundamentally inferior.

It is simpleminded, self-serving and intellectually inert readings of history that contribute greatly to our nescience and to our continuing resentments. Ms. Bachmann contributes to the nescience by ignoring facts of history. Shugga contributes to it by attempting to offer false equivalencies. I'm afraid that you, Hughmac contribute to it by offering the canard of widespread reliance on slavery as an excuse for personal or collective shortcomings.

You write only of the black people. Chinese were exploited, Irish, were exploited, Scots, and others lived under indentured servitude.

Your emotional outburst and references to the one drop rule and all the other injustices committed in this country's history is all relevant to the discussion. I offer no canards I only suggest that it is all part of the social fabric of this society. And there is, most certainly is, a reliance on slavery as an excuse for failure and a justification for behavior that is socially unacceptable.

I know of no one on this "vine" using slavery as a justification for anything. I'm not.

Where is your outrage for the indigenous people of the northern contitnent of the western hemisphere? They were treated as subhuman and have suffered a great deal at the hands of Christian/American/Manifest Destiny...

To deny any aspect of the facts or history belies your motives. The caste system in India until recently was not addressed as to its categories of value. It is evident in many cultures.

Tell me which came first, slavery in America, or tribal warfare in Africa? Do you not think the dominant tribes in Africa after capturing their enemies benefitted from the sale of their captives. But what I read or understand from people's beliefs is that somehow it is ONLY blacks in America that have suffered this fate. Not in South Africa, not in the middle east, not in the Roman Empire. And before you believe it isn't all relevant, it is.

And I couldn't agree more with your simpleminded, self-serving, and intellectually barren understanding of history and its dynamics. Others rise above it others wallow in it.

I'm personally ashamed of a lot that has happened in history. Most recently I'm ashamed of wars in Iraq based on lies. I'm ashamed to be part of a society that allowed two million Vietnamese to killed in another war based on lies. But again many in this country would disagree with me because of their self-serving, intellectually barren understanding of history, politics, culture, and economics. All of which serve to allow crimes to be committed in the name of God and delusions of superiority.

Your welcome to keep your head where it is. But keeping a closed mind, being unable to comprehend points of view that enable growth is usually a factor in ignorance.

And I may be mistaken but one of my posts on the vine I speak about slavery. But I talk about all Americans being slaves to what I see as a Corporate Democracy or a Corporatetocracy.

The extreme of capitalism, which to me is consumerism. The constant mantra of buy, buy, and buy. Buy a bigger home, buy a bigger car, buy a bigger boat, etc.

In my ever so humble opinion the corporate agenda is to enslave all Americans to their debt service. Through marketing, advertising, and propaganda people are convinced that their personal value is directly tied to Society's perception of what they own. And if you don't believe that it is a type of slavery I'll argue that with you all day long. You have a ruling class and a conspiracy in this country to control every aspect of this democracy.

And this conspiracy is waged on many fronts. Our food supply is corporate controlled, our health care industry is used as a tool of control over all of us, and education is neglected so people cannot rise above their station.

We're only talking about BLACK slavery, because that's the only kind of slavery that affected the USA.

Yes, there have been other peoples kept in slavery throughout history, but they do not apply to the US equation. The black slaves were "ours" and they were the most recent as well...

don't disparage the loon please, loon's are beautiful birds, their young ride on their backs and there isn't anything like hearing a loon's call over the water at evening time. bachmann is a nut job, and thats disparaging the spieces of nut producing plants. let face it she doesn't have a brain in her head.

You write only of the black people. Chinese were exploited, Irish, were exploited, Scots, and others lived under indentured servitude.

I never said that other groups did not experience exploitation. The labor force in pre-colonial and colonial America included white slaves - in the form of voluntary indentures, criminals, Irish and Scots captured during put downs of rebellion and poor people simply snatched off the street. But none of that was discussed in the seeded article. Unlike many, I've been posting to the subject of the seed. Not only are the points you, Shugga and others have made tangential, they also imply an equivalency that is false.

And there is, most certainly is, a reliance on slavery as an excuse for failure and a justification for behavior that is socially unacceptable.

Total and absolute hogwash. For the second time, this is an assertion that requires some kind of documentation that you have yet to provide. No one on this vine has made such an assertion and I would bet cash money that you can't come up with more than five instances in the last two years when anyone of any note has asserted such.

Where is your outrage for the indigenous people...

Perhaps if this were a seed about indigenous people I would think it appropriate to discuss it.

To deny any aspect of the facts or history belies your motives.

I haven't denied anything and your insight into my motives wouldn't fill a thimble. Unlike you, I've merely written to the subject of the seed. You want to talk about the full range of exploitation that has occurred, then start another seed. If I were moderating this one, you would have gotten a warning to be followed by deletions for being off topic.

I couldn't agree more with your simpleminded, self-serving, and intellectually barren understanding of history and its dynamics.

????????

But keeping a closed mind,....

You haven't the slightest clue the breadth of my perspective on this or any other issue. You mistake my posting to the subject to being closed to other issues. Hundreds of thousands of white slaves brought to the New World vs. 12 million taken out of Africa is a subject for another day. Approximately 600,000 African slaves in America bred like cattle to more than four million a century after indentured servitude and white slavery ceased to exist a topic for another day. The establishment of black people as less than human is a subject for another day. The bottom line is I know a helluva lot more about the history of most groups who came to or were brought to America than you give me credit for and probably a lot more than you. You, Shugga and others have taken us on the meandering path away from the intellectual bankruptcy of Michelle Bachmann's comments. Just because I didn't go there with you doesn't mean I don't know or understand it - even at a level better than yours.

The whole corporate agenda is another tangent even further away from the topic of this vine. I suggest you write or seed an article.

Don't you people have jobs,

What you stated emphasizes the problem with teaching and learning history in this country. The Irish and Scottish were slaves in America. So were the Chinese. these people tended to not adapt well to the climate of the south, and the labor in those climes, and the fact that they could run away from the "master" and blend into the population rather well, all led to slave owners seeking out a more suitable replacement, and we ended up settling with Africans.

So no, the "blacks" were not the only slaves here in America, they were just the final wave of them.

Tens of thousands of whites faced servitude ranging from indentured servsncy to slavery in the colonies that became America. Over 650,000 Africans were bred to four million five years before the Civil War. They weren't considered people and they were in captivity for nearly a century after the last Irish or Scottish slave left indentured severvancy or forced labor. There were no other "waves". When the slaves were finally freed, the exploitation occurred far longer, with another century passing before their rights of full citizenship were finally confirmed.

England's oppression of Scots and Irish is a fact of history and there is no denying the exploitation and discrimination that various groups faced. But Viners here are dealing in an intellectually bankrupt false equivalency in this discussion. As many as 1.0 million whites were slaves on the African coast and still more were slaves in the Middle East. But the seeded article and Bachmann's comment is about what happened in America - not the Middle East, not the Caribbean and not Austrailia.

dwillie, I have written numerous articles here and on my blog which is linked.

You tell me that this is about what happened in America, then you reference what happened in Brazil, and other countries, so you can argue other countries but not me. Okay.

I spent 5 years as a substitute teacher, in a mid-sized southern US city. In the course of trying to maintain control and teach the lessons I was asked to teach, I would be called a racist constantly. I'm not and never have been, I was not brought up that way. I was born in new england and spent most of my life there, so it was not in the fabric of my life, at all.

But these children, of all races, used it for every excuse of behaviour and wielded it like a sword. It could defend rudeness, it could defend laziness, it could defend their disruptive behaviour, it could defend every aspect of their socially unacceptable behaviour.

Having lived in the South now, going on 14 years, I've experienced more racism, more bigotry, more hatred, from people of color than from any other group.

It has destroyed the education process. I learned that the higher percentage of blacks to whites in any school would mean bigger problems. Blacks have their social culture and behavior and whites have theirs and they are not very compatible in a school setting. Any attempt at controlling and establishing a classroom that was conducive to learning was met with resentment, disruption, and threats. And it was not just me, it was every teacher a substitute or a regular teacher. The burden of guilt for this history of ours, and how that history is carried as a weapon to destroy society, is irresponsible and ignorant.

That is why history needs to spell out all the relevant facts. Because the same black on black violence that created a marketable commodity for most of the last 12 thousand years, exists in black neighborhoods now. I see it every night on the news, I read in the papers, and I saw it in the schools. Saying it doesn't exist, ignoring it, enabling it, won't ever change it.

Saying it doesn't exist, ignoring it, enabling it, won't ever change it.

Who has ever said that it doesn't exist? Who in this vine has said that violence in any form is acceptable?

You're extrapolating an attitude of an entire race based on what you're hearing from some damn kids? From people who haven't been outside of their base environment at all? You extrapolate that to me? To my kid who was raised to know the direct relationship between his effort and his results? To my parents? Those kids are not me. They are not anyone I know and love and their uninformed attitudes certainly haven't been trumpeted by any black person of responsibility in the form of an excuse.

If you're a teacher then do your damn job and teach, including the notion that their excuses only guarantee that they wind up no different than the people they see every day. If they want to change their lives then they need to change their minds. But don't for a minute give me a load of bull$h!t that says that black people as a group are entrenched in those attitudes based on what a bunch of kids say to you.

If you want to talk about pathologies that exist in particular communities, then write or seed an article. But do you really think that the braindead, nonsensical game of "we had slaves too" actually resonates as a basis for moving forward?

You're a teacher? Really?

Yes I"m a teacher really, I taught when I wasn't doing my regular job as an engineer. I did do my damn job, did it very well for over 20 years.

Black people are entrenched in their attitudes, they are as racist, if not more so, than other races. If you have never spent time in a school as a teacher you will never ever understand.

And I don't extrapolate anything, it took me a long time to understand what I was seeing. These damn kids you speak of I never thought of that way. They were students and I treated them with respect and a level of courtesy they had no idea existed or could even begin to understand.

You're welcome to skew my discussion, to attempt to dissuade, you won't and can't because you try so hard to ignore the facts.

I think of none of it as a game, I see it only as a tragedy, one that continues to be fed by the inability of people like, dwillie, from understanding.

The greatest satisfaction was, as I moved throughout the school system, of being greeted by children that thanked me and appreciated my efforts, black and white. Reaching just one was worth all the trouble. They knew I cared, deeply, that can't be faked unlike phony arguments with big words trying to pass for reality.

And again, I've written numerous articles here and on my blog. I have paid for all my opinions and lost a lot. But it won't stop me. As a teacher I know what it means to learn.

I'm not trying to dissuade you from anything, Hughmac, because as exemplified by your quote:

Black people are entrenched in their attitudes...

You are well entrenched in yours. But if you wish to make disparaging remarks about black people on a ubiquitous level and play the game of false equivalency as if that is the compelling recipe for understanding, motivation and positive action, then expect some serious push-back. Not to change your mind, but at the very least to expose the weaknesses in your fallacious reasoning.

Responsibility, accountability and the value of their own effort are the messages that many inner-city children aren't hearing from their parents. That is the message I give whenever I'm in front of them which is often. You are correct in saying that only a handful may be reached, but they must all hear - in metronome-like manner - that an attitude of "the white man this:", or "the white man that" does nothing but give control of their lives over to someone else when the only person who should be in control of their lives is staring at them in their mirror every day. If they don't believe it from you, then they need to hear it from someone else, someone who you could bring into the class to discuss it. They are no different than any young person in questioning the credibility of those around them. I had coffee with a very bright and talented young man interested in venture capital who was surprised when I told him things that his father had already told him. They discount the familiar, so the same message from someone unfamiliar tends to resonate.

I didn't say "damn" kids because they weren't worthy of respect. I said it because they are not in control, they are not in charge and their opinions are to be taken with a grain of salt because they haven't lived enough life to properly inform them. They are the wrong people to consider as providing credible and informed opinion on the world around them and on the facts, opinions, truths and lies regarding race. But you have taken the opinion of children and use that to inform your opinion of black people as a group? Shame on you. Whenever I'm in a classroom the kids get my respect but they know that I'm in charge and I know every nonsensical excuse rolling around in their heads and have eight answers with examples that refute each one. I discuss with them the possibilities for their lives, the things that make those possibilities real and the things that make those possibilities disappear. I discuss with them that while racism exists, it is irrelevant to their journey and it affects their lives only to the extent that they let it.

Your attitude makes me wonder if the one kid you reached while you were there could have been two, or five, or ten.

Do you think she pocketed the money or was it used as the government program intended which is to boost farm production or to subsidize commodities so there is no gap in production? Liberals should never criticize farm subsidies with all the wasted money that is spent on inefficient social programs. Again, there is no issue in someone running a business that applies for money from a federal program. The government doesn't just give money to farmers to be put into a bank account.

Don't pick on farmers. You will wish for cheaper food prices very, very soon.

She pocketed the money. Listen,we're not talking about some little family farm with a couple of cows and a yard full of chickens.Ten percent of the farm businesses in this country took seventy-five percent of farm subsidy money.And by the way,if you want more expensive food,throw out all the illegals,I'm sure you'll be happy.

And how much of that was to not grow something on her tennis court, in her swimming pool or anywhere else on her property not dedicated to actually being planted with actual crops?

James Essayist

"And how much of that was to not grow something"

BINGO!!

chitownty Please continue that thought when the funds are handed out to PBS.

funds are handed out to PBS

The difference is that PBS produces; Bachmann "neither toils nor spins, but is like unto the lilies of the field" and is not nearly as decorative!

Touche, Q.C.!

vote up.

once a person knows the history what else is there to know?

As Michelle Bachmann so clearly demonstrates, not only do a stunningly large number of people not know history, but some actually seek to re-write it. Bachmann provides prima facie evidence of the need for a Black History Month, as she is more than willing to employ prevarication to empower those who are both willfully nescient and perpetually resentful.

By the way, March is Irish American Heritage Month. Italian American Heritage Month is in October along with German and Polish American Heritage Months. Asia Pacific American Heritage Month is in May. National Hispanic Heritage Month spans from mid September to mid October.

(#14) That's a typical response to the horrors of what African Americans endured throughout US history. People (White generally) want to lump all ethnic groups into one pretty melting pot and exclaim we all have had the same hardships in the US. "Lets just whitewash US history and if they complain will just tell them it was a long time ago shut up!" Bull___t! There is no other race on record that was stripped of every essential human element that's crucial for upward mobility. For MB to totally omit this fact is indifferent and disgraceful. It was only in the 1960s that the Universities (Alabama, Mississippi, etc.) started allowing African Americans to enroll, although their enrollment did not come without the usual threats and bigotry that was characteristic of most White people.

To this day the bigotry still lingers in the halls of our universities, corporations, and government. Sure we have upheaval, the first Black president of the US, however the racial climate is frigid and much more contentious than years before Obama. You can hear the clamor from the immoral majority demanding to take their country back... To what?

Real.......we do not have a black president, His mother was white and he was raised by white people, but you can claim him if you want to. I'm not proud of his white side by any means. Care to detail what you mean when you sad "horrors of what African Americans endured throughout US history"? Every single one of us including myself has a tough time in life yet not everyone uses their history as a crutch more that black people.

I can't believe you're that ignorant or maybe just in denial about the plight of African Americans throughout US History. I'm not going to waste any of my time bickering with you Electric Turd... Apparently you're cut from the bigot cloth of ill will.

turd,

What exactly is your problem with the President's parentage? You keep skirting around it.

You seem to be angry that he's half-white, or that he's half-black.

Come on, you can tell us... we won't tell anybody else... which is it?

I could care less if he was purple. I am color blind unlike many of you, my point is that everyone is so sensitive about race and not looking at issues. I also get tired of people saying "african-american" when he isnt. I HATE him and does that make me racist??? HELL NO it doesnt. I have every right to not like him regardless of what color he is.

I could care less if he was purple. I am color blind

I HATE him

OK. You hate him, but not because of his color.

Got it.

You HATE him because_____________________________

(fill in the blank)

If you want to.

I don't really care.

No one cares dink about what you're tired of electric turd. Hatred is an irrational and unconstructive emotion and the fact that you hate the President speaks volumes about your state of mind and what it says has nothing to do with policy. Given his father, the President is more African-American than most African-Americans.

I HATE him and does that make me racist???

Hatred is one of the more standard prerequisites.

dwillie:

You noted : the President is more African-American than most African-Americans.

What ?????

Taking a step back,, ???

Not Sure how to read that statement ??

In the truest regards.

I was responding to electric turd's nonsensical resentment at the term African-American, particularly as it applies to President Obama.

President Obama is one generation from his African ancestry as his father is Kenyan. My African ancestry is amorphous and is six generations back in time. Black people in the United States can only assume - outside of DNA searches - that our ancestors were brought out of Western Africa somewhere.

His father is African. His mother American.

....his ancestor's probably used to gather up Africans to sell in the slave trade...

A stupid but not surprising speculation you've shared Friedwatermellon. The President's father is from Kenya. Anyone bothering to check a map would find Kenya on the Eastern side of the African continent. The African slave trade occurred on the Western side.

Pathetic.

Friedwatermellon #14.13

I was questioning a statement made by dwillie#14.9 - Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:26 PM CST

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Then,, If you want a verbal battle, OK!,, I'm sure dwillie will be happy to partake in such also!

insult someone who's obviously more knowledgeable....

Yeah, LOL, like your knowledge of vocabulary. Pathic?!?!. A Google search reveals repeats of unattributed and unsubstantiated reports trumpeted by wing-nut trolls including someone who calls herself the "Conservative Lesbian". Hmmm.

Polka....I will gladly mock our president. Why does everyone seem to forget he is not BLACK???? HIS MOTHER WAS WHITE!!!!!!

And in the South, one drop of black blood meant someone was all black. Mr. Obama identifies as black. There are probably no African-Americans in the U.S. today who are entirely African. There are in this country probably few Europeans who can claim coming from one country, and that country probably was invaded and run over several times in the past thirty centuries.

There damned few pureblood anything people anywhere between Hawaii, going east, and ending in India and western China & Russia. (Exceptions would be various Native Americans (including Arctic groups) in North and South America, and aboriginal tribes in Australia. Any place Europeans have taken over people are hybrids.

Electric:why thenwere all those Teabaggers walking around with signs of the President portraying him as a witch doctor.I know of no white portrayed as a witch doctor,do you?

chitownty

The man's name is turd.

Unless you are a personal friend, please do him the respect of calling him by his name.

turd.

Polka....I will gladly mock our president. Why does everyone seem to forget he is not BLACK???? HIS MOTHER WAS WHITE!!!!!!

That only proves that Obama has white genetics in his DNA but he identifies with his dominant genes, his African genes and identifies as an African-American. His enemies and all the racists knows he is an African-American and they attack him for it because they can't stand the fact that our nation is not lead by a white man right now.

Trust me, race has next to nothing to do with why people are upset with him. If you cant overlook the "race" card for one minute then you are just as guilty as those you are accusing. Personally I feel offended that so many black people accuse whites as racist when they are racist themselves but no one seems to call them out on it. Ironic

Trust me, race has next to nothing to do with why people are upset with him.

I guess you don't remember all those people parading around with racist signs. Those Tea Klux Klan members.

Personally I feel offended that so many black people accuse whites as racist when they are racist themselves but no one seems to call them out on it. Ironic

Calling out racism is not an act of racism.

Polka14 - re E.T.: operor non nutritor bestia.

Some people simply need to be educated but I think this person is simply acting defensively because it is probably his/her race being (fairly) criticized and called out for their atrocities against the other human races.

Quite plausible, even likely. From guilt, or outraged denial, I wonder.

Hey polka!! Tell me what the black panthers were doing on election day in 2008? James....you are full of it. I have no guilt or denial. I gave Obama every chance in the world, hoped he would do something good but he didnt and a lot of kool aid drinkers want admit that hes not perfect.

Tell me what the black panthers were doing on election day in 2008?

BOTH of them?

Stop with the BS propaganda...

Tell me what the black panthers were doing on election day in 2008?

Nothing. There is no real black panther party in existence anymore.

I have no guilt or denial.

I think it's denial. That is why you are so defensive about race and the atrocities that existed in this nation's history.

You know what the good part is?? It's that people didn't forget thismiscarriage of justice and Obama will feel it at the polls in 2012.

If the racists show up in force, then you might get very close to winning.

But on planet Earth we have a group of these virul mutants who intimidated voters in 2008

You mean those people caught on camera with batons with people walking harmlessly next to them to the polls? I would not call that intimidation. It was a big problem because they were black and the racists couldn't handle it.

"baton" (no "s")

Only one of the TWO of them even had that...

But don't let facts get in the way of a big juicy racial oppression story...

So if a buddy of mine and I get together and say we're "the New Whig Party", or if you and some friends get together and call yourselves "the New Klan", does that make it so?

Or is it just a few people with some issues?

We were originally talking about people acting defensively when confronted with knowledge of atrocities that people of their ethnicty has done to others. It is why whites like to whitewash history and not confront what they did like enslave African-Americans for centuries. I don't know why this black panther talk is being discussed.

Apparently, Turd and FW think it is relative.

What kind of un educated ignoramus came up with that.

The whites who were in charge of the South. It was codified in Jim Crow in many places, and was a matter of fact to whites regardless--de facto regardless of whether it was de jure. And yes, it is the uneducated attitude of an ignoramus. It was there just the same, and I wouldn't bet against it still being around in places.

As for being "full of it", mind the CoH -- it was a speculative question, not a definite statement.

Fried - sorry; forgot to label that part for E.Turd.

It is generally known that all months that are not black history month is white history month and whites can talk about all those "white" organizations after they have been given brutal treatment for over 150 years. They don't need or deserve them right now.

Why do people think whites need MORE representation?

Ever think that so many whites are labeled racist because we want equal treatment? Blacks are given everything in todays world and still whine about being held back. Give me a break, stop trying to make whites pay for something that we had ZERO part in. IF blacks want respect they need to stop expecting and demanding respect, its earned, do something for it.

Give me a break, stop trying to make whites pay for something that we had ZERO part in.

Whites are %100 responsible for all the terrible deeds they inflicted on the world.

Ever think that so many whites are labeled racist because we want equal treatment?

If equality really existed, then whites would not be over represented in media like they are now. They would not make more money then others and they would not be hired more often then other qualified minorities.

Keep harping on your "facts" and see where you get. Whites arent handed a silver platter like you believe. You may be one of the most racist people ive seen on here. You may need to read MLKs speech again and see what he was talking about. He was a smart man and wanted Blacks to stand up for them self and join society not hold it hostage.

Fried

When did you become an expert on the wants and needs of Black People? You are the one who lacks knowledge of history. It has been whites who have propagated a sense of entitlement based on skin color i.e something for nothing. What Black people want is for people like you to shut the @!$%# up and get the @!$%# out of the way.

But the main point of this article is that Bachmann ignored the slavery aspect which is the biggest aspect of Africans being sent to the Americas and the fact that African-Americans were not the only ones that suffered injustice doesn't mean that their injustices should be ignored in their own history month.

Polka, the main point of this article is to incite hostility amongst us. It serves its purpose nicely for the seeder.

And the Native Americans were victims of genocide courtesy of everything from smallpox infected blankets and abundant alcohol, to shoot-on-sight orders. Orientals were worked to death and publicly abused or killed for sport when their usefulness was over... I could go on, group by group, but I believe that I have illustrated my point. It seems that everyone who's visage or customs differed from the white, ruling class were fair game for subjugation or death- America, the land of equal opportunity for misery? Every non-elite immigrant group has a horror story to tell and most don't mind when another's is spotlighted if it makes people think of the abuses towards all. Stop trying to spin slavery- it was ugly, evil and beyond redemption, especially under the 'they started it first' or 'but everyone else was doing it' deflection- that only perpetuates the lamentable condition of abject ignorance!

the main point of this article is to incite hostility amongst us. It serves its purpose nicely for the seeder

The main point of this article is to highlight popular ignorance in the Republican party. Ignorance of American history serves no good purpose for anyone.

to incite hostility amongst us

If truth incites hostility could there, perhaps, be am actual reason for said reaction?

ignorance is rampant in the GOP and the Dem parties. This article need not be written to accomplish THAT. Look at this article in the broader scheme of things. Its devisive, slanderous, and designed to instill hatred towards MB. Do you not see how these articles pop up when a candidate considers running for higher office? How many Americans actually even heard of her a year or so ago, now conviently we have these "Hit-Pieces" on her

These articles are designed to promote understanding of what this politician is trying to do and that is to spread ignorance of American history and the experience of American ethnic minorities. Politicians should not do that and this whitewashing of history is far more devisive then calling out MB for her words.

Great point Polka, and your statement needs to be highlighted:

But the main point of this article is that Bachmann ignored the slavery aspect which is the biggest aspect of Africans being sent to the Americas and the fact that African-Americans were not the only ones that suffered injustice doesn't mean that their injustices should be ignored in their own history month.

Road To Serfdom

designed to instill hatred towards MB

How many Americans actually even heard of her a year or so ago

I heard of her long before joining NV. It didn't take a "hit-piece" for me to hate her.

She was on TV several years ago and started talking... that's all it took for me.

Tim in Phoenix and nearly all on this site are very aware of her and for some time...the majority of Americans are unfortunately not so well versed. This is trite propaganda; a smear job. Its motivation is NOT education --its defamation. Judge her absent such assaults--note her voting record...educate yourself on facts, leave politically motivated journalism where it belongs---on a trash heap

I guess you didn't see the part of my post where I said I judged her when she started talking.

Her words to my ears. I didn't need anybody to tell me what to think.

She's @!$%#ing crazy.

good Tim..i love when people are well informed...but this piece of slam-journalism was not meant for people like you and me. The writer of this piece sat behind keyboard with express intent to sour the ignorant masses from ever trying to understand this woman. They hoped that they could attach inferences of racism or ignorance to her to sway the uninformed. Its called propaganda

Okay, you go with that.

I believe everyone should know her for what she is. If this helps people to become informed, good.

She has no saving grace and should be expunged from the American political landscape.

Just like her sister Sarah.

Sundown

You are right Africans were not the only race to be enslaved in America, But they were the ONLY race to suffer chattel slavery, that is SLAVERY FOR LIFE. To ignore this or to jump on the "My people were slaves too"is b.s. No Race in the history of America has been subject to the indignities suffered by Africans. America can continue to make excuses for this travesty at it's own peril.

tell ya what WW you go out to say the rosebud or parts of pine ridge reservations then come back and talk to me about indignities.

I have seen some pretty run down ghettos and they still 100 times better then most reservation life. oh yea africans had most all of their rights in america long before native americans and that includes through the civil rights movement.

sundown

It's not where you live it's how you live. I'm from the westside of Chicago, and was a police officer assigned to gangs and narcotics. Do you really want to talk to me about what you have seen? Native Americans had the ultimate right, They owned the country until you know who came along. I guess we better take away their "something for nothing" check also.

sure lets go cuz trust me what happens on the west side of chitown happens in about 700 other places in america as well.

Then again lets talk about the fact the same thing happens on the reservations and their populations are prolly 10% that of westside chicago.

lets look at some FACTS about native americans and you tell me where they are diffrent from slaves or west side chicago

Reservation problems also consist of violence and drug use due to poor law enforcement,^[5] out-of-home placement of foster children, loss of federal funding, under-funded education, employment issues, and lack of family support, housing, and transportation

• Structural Poverty: This results from underlying conditions of the economy.
• Incidental Poverty: this results from changing events in people’s lives. Also known as Situational Poverty.
• Generational Poverty: This is defined as being in poverty for two or more generations.
• Poverty of Place: Decades of declining economy in reservations, which create a poverty of place.
• Poverty related to people: Decades of persistent poverty see a steady increase in the number of social, medical, and economic problems-emerging new threats to the well-being of families.
• Forced Relocation and Loss of Personal Assets: Forced relocation is extremely disruptive on both economic and emotional levels. Sudden loss of personal assets can have the effect of plunging families into poverty overnight.

There is an estimated 1.2 million native americans in the US that has a population of 311 million which means native americans make up a grand total of like .004% of the us population now out of this 1.2 million only 400,000 live on over 500 reservations. Then lets look at the fact that the average unemployment rate on the reservation is somewhere around 35 to 45% when the rest of the nations is 8 - 14% oh and lets not mention westside chicagos unemployment rate of what 12%

Lets talk about the freebies

On the Pine Ridge Reservation, homelessness is at 30% and unemployment at 80%. 60% of its residents live in substandard housing, and the reservation, which is half the size of the state of Connecticut, doesn’t have a single bank^[15] “The housing shortage on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is so severe that only 16 people living in a four-bedroom house is considered lucky. Next door there are 23 people in a three-bedroom house” (Rapid City Journal). In the 1876 Treaty following the war between the United States and the Sioux, the United States government promised “a comfortable house”. Despite these promises, hundreds of people on the Pine Ridge Reservation are homeless and thousands live in a crowded or substandard housing. The American Indian Relief Council estimates that 44% of Sioux households lack complete kitchens and 55% do not have a telephone

Sioux Indians in South Dakota have the poorest health of any minority group in the United States. The Indian health Service says that for every 1,000 children born on the reservation in the late 1980s, twenty-nine died in infancy, almost three times the national average ^[16] Death from heart disease, pneumonia, influenza, and suicide was twice the national rate; from alcoholism, ten times; from homicide, more than three times^[18] Diabetes rates are six times that of the general white population. Many factors contribute to the Sioux’s poor health; a distrust of standard medical practices, inadequate funding for Indian medical are, few trained physicians on the reservations and limited access due to remote living conditions, poor-eating habits and a high-fat diet, and a high rate of alcohol use (itvs.org). The average life expectancy for the Sioux is forty-eight years^[

Only 23% of Sioux children graduate from high school, and among that group, only 17% go on to college.^[15] Homelessness, poverty, and learning disabilities contribute to the dropout rate, as does the lack of reading and writing experience. Lack of transportation keeps truancy rates high, and lack of electricity in many homes prohibits students from doing schoolwork after dark. Most reservation classrooms are in a deplorable state: many without heat in the winter or air-conditioning in the summer, when outside temperatures can exceed 100 degrees.

This isnt happening 100 years ago this is happing today on native american reservations all across america and you actually want to sit there and say they didnt have it as tough as african americans or people from west side chicago get real. Were blacks in the 1950w, 60s and 70s still being taken from their homes as children placed in group homes and beat for being black. yea i didnt think so but guess what it happened if you were a native american

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/sterilize.html

how bout ya show me where in the 70s they were going around sterilizing african americans.

Sounds like we have a lot in common. I'm well aware of the plight of the Native American. It would take to much time to draw all the comparisons, but let me assure you I have some expertise with group homes,I managed a few in central Fl. Population 80% Black males. As far as sterilization goes what does it matter when you send 6 of 10 males to prison over and over. They got your people with alcohol they got mine with crack, genocide is genocide. I got your back you got mine? I doubt it.

There's something in the water in those 10,000 lakes that people in her district drink to send her back to Washington.

Not the ones who voted for her.

Kind of like the smart ones that voted for Obama? LOLOLOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

turd,

You chose your name well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8&feature=related