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Marriage rights: Lawyer in Utah case tries to link polygamy to gay rights

Seeded on Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:23 PM EDT
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Jonathan Turley is probably not the most popular man right now with supporters of same-sex marriage. The George Washington University law professor has filed a suit challenging the constitutionality of Utah's anti-polygamy laws — and his argument is based on a landmark 2003 Supreme Court gay rights decision. That's not good news in the view of most gay rights supporters, who don't want their cause linked to that of polygamists any more than they want to see parallels drawn with people who engage in incest, bestiality and other taboo sexual practices.

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This guy has to be a little off but any port in the storm. Maybe crazy like a fox I hope there is no way this could possibly work within the law.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:25 PM EDT
StevieGee

I guess if there's a storm this guy has a lot of ports to choose from. I just went to a pirate lesbian interracial wedding last week it was the coolest wedding I've ever been to. I don't have a problem with polygamy. Some legal things regarding health and social security benefits would, of course, have to be worked out though.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:28 PM EDT
chasencash

I actually do not have a problem with consensual polygamy except in cases of abuses in small communities where young women are coerced. I do however think the issue becomes part of a bigger anti-gay marriage agenda in terms of the argument of a slippery slope...and that is unfortunate.

The law in terms of marital status would have to change and the implications of divorce, custody and financial settlements becomes a nightmare. This arrangement would challlenge existing ideas of marriage, no doubt so I would suggest it would be in the too hard basket.

Am actually hoping marriage becomes outdated...in my parallel universe maybe - one day.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:45 PM EDT
Yosho

I do however think the issue becomes part of a bigger anti-gay marriage agenda in terms of the argument of a slippery slope...and that is unfortunate....

Am actually hoping marriage becomes outdated...in my parallel universe maybe - one day.

I'm all for that idea. People are worried about churches suddenly being forced by the government to conduct ceremonies for same-sex couples ( never mind the fact that the Constitution forbids such a demand from the government and would be upheld by any Supreme Court ), so I'm all for the idea of leaving everything about "marriage" to the different religions and taking all marriage-related assumed rights out of the secular side of things.

Everyone would have to fill out the same type of papers to state who their legally-recognized partners are, no more use of "married" status to determine who's on your insurance, no assumption of who's allowed to make medical decisions.

In the case of polygamy, though, I think it might cut down some opportunity for the child molesters, but simply allowing multiple partners for civil contracts would not keep some of these predators from going ahead and continuing it as a "religious" practice outside of the system as they do now.

    #1.3 - Mon Aug 1, 2011 12:32 AM EDT
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    chasencash

    Why would it as marriage is a contract between two people - gender should be irrelevant. The model for polygamy is usually a harem with concubines. Such extension of marriage alters the concept entirely - same sex marriage does not alter the concept of marriage, it simply eradicates gender requirements.

    Polygamy is a whole other game.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#2 - Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:44 PM EDT
    chasencash

    I mean polygamy is a whole other legal game.

    • 1 vote
    #2.1 - Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:45 PM EDT
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    Door King

    There's nothing wrong with polygamy.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#3 - Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:46 PM EDT
    ombra

    "Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same." - Oscar Wilde

    • 4 votes
    #3.1 - Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:12 PM EDT
    TR-421173

    Multiple-wives?¿? I don't get it, most men can't handle the one they have.

    • 2 votes
    #3.2 - Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:26 PM EDT
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    Yosho

    I find it amusing that people in a society with a divorce rate between 50% and 60% and infidelity likely higher are worried about a married man having sex with more than one woman or vice versa.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#4 - Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:26 PM EDT
    Newaya Richards

    StevieGee

    I would have no problem with an interracial lesbian wedding at all but some how polygamy always ends up with young girls involved.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#5 - Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:59 PM EDT
    StevieGee

    Young girls are a whole different thing covered by different laws. I in no way advocate or tolerate pedophilia. Of course I'm not an advocate of marriage either as it's never really worked out well for me. That being said, love is an elusive concept and if you are fortunate enough to find it I think there shouldn't be unnecessary restrictions preventing people from expressing it however it works best for them.

    • 1 vote
    #5.1 - Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:10 PM EDT
    chasencash

    I think the young girls become a factor when the comunity has to be closed off from the public and then the whole small group with lack of choices comes into play and young girls are indoctrinated into keeping their communities affloat. Legalising the whole thing means the prvacy and secrecy may go a long way to making the community open and with information, comes choice.

    • 3 votes
    #5.2 - Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:22 PM EDT
    StevieGee

    Agreed CC. Bringing it out in the open could go a long way toward preventing underage "marriages". I doubt there would be a sudden rush of applications for marriage licenses for 14 year olds.

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    #5.3 - Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:49 PM EDT
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